12:54:10 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: https://bit.ly/PEATforHumanity/ 13:02:47 From Dr. Mohamed Naser to Everyone: Hi...Good evening from UAE....Glad to be here.... 13:10:22 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: https://bit.ly/PEATforHumanity/ 13:10:27 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: Streamtext 13:11:00 From Nick Truxal to Everyone: That link doesn't seem to work, Ryan 13:12:29 From Corinne Weible (she/her) to Everyone: Direct stream text link for captions: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ForHumanity 13:13:09 From Corinne Weible to Everyone: Corinne beat me to it. 13:23:18 From Patricia Gestoso to Everyone: CAn you paste the link for the toolkit in the chat? Thanks. 13:23:29 From Lawrence Almeida to Everyone: https://www.peatworks.org/ai-disability-inclusion-toolkit/ 13:23:37 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: thanks Lawrence 13:23:42 From Patricia Gestoso to Everyone: Awesome! 13:23:44 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Thank you, Lawrence! 13:25:49 From Markus Krebsz to Everyone: 🙏 @Lawrence 13:32:20 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: Direct stream text link for captions: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ForHumanity 13:32:28 From Darren Bates to Everyone: General Question: I understand this is a best practice model but what if your organization does not have the positions/staff included in this practice model, e.g. Chief AI Ethics Officer? 13:33:11 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: Thanks Darren, we can tackle the question at the end of the session and in our operationalization session at the end 13:35:50 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Fantastic talk Corinne! 13:36:32 From Corinne Weible (she/her) to Everyone: Thanks Patricia! 13:37:06 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ForHumanity 13:39:39 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: and that is why I cannot spotlight her 13:39:52 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: with no video on... spotlight finds the video 13:39:54 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: You can use View > Gallery View to see more active speakers (including the ASL interpreter) 13:40:04 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: sorry about that Jutta 13:58:28 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ForHumanity 14:07:24 From Corinne Weible to Everyone: Can hear someone eating their lunch, if you could please mute 🙂 14:10:42 From Darren Bates to Everyone: As a best practice your team should integrate lived experience of disability at the forefront of product design and development and continue throughout the process.— And conduct usability testing across the spectrum of disability with as many disabled people as possible. And listen to what they say! The more control you can put in the hands of users, the better. 14:11:39 From Shea Brown to Everyone: Great points everyone! Not starting early builds up both technical and ethical debt in your project. 14:11:53 From Merve Hickok to Everyone: Spot on Sam! 14:16:37 From Maria Santacaterina to Everyone: Integrating lived experience is mission critical if we are to succeed in getting this right - well said @Darren 14:17:30 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: We will all also have a full transcript of this session, thanks to our captioning! 14:20:14 From Darren Bates to Everyone: MARIA: Here’s what I believe relative to lived experience of disability and accessibility: Assistive technology knowledge and the ability to code accessible interfaces alone is insufficient compared to the same combined with the lived experience of disability which provides the human skills needed to navigate disability access. 14:21:02 From Sue Turner to Everyone: People with lived experience who are being involved with testing systems should be paid for their time - they are providing expert feedback which should have a high (financial) value placed on it 14:22:11 From Darren Bates to Everyone: Absolutely, Sue. 14:23:00 From Darren Bates to Everyone: Jutta’s point in well made. We should ask: ■ Who is excluded 14:23:10 From Darren Bates to Everyone: ■ What could contribute to this exclusion? 14:23:18 From Darren Bates to Everyone: ■ What can you do differently to ensure inclusion? 14:25:27 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Sue, couldn’t agree more. Lived experience should be seen as having the greatest value 14:25:47 From Maria Santacaterina to Everyone: Yes @Darren I’d agree. It’s building a new capability reflective of full spectrum of different needs. So you need different ways of thinking and different abilities at the early stage of design. 14:28:29 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: Stream text https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ForHumanity 14:38:44 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: As we close out the panel, I want to include two new resources from AAPD and partners. AAPD, DisabilityIN, and Accenture worked together on a report titled AI for Disability Inclusion, which provides some high level recommendations and some specific examples to advance the use of more inclusive AI. https://www.accenture.com/_acnmedia/PDF-155/Accenture-AI-For-Disablility-Inclusion.pdf 14:41:31 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: AAPD and CDT worked together on a very new report titled Centering Disability in Technology Policy. This report is intended to help public interest organizations do more inclusive, effective work at the intersection of technology and disability issues in the United States. https://cdt.org/insights/cdt-and-aapd-report-centering-disability-in-technology-policy-issue-landscape-and-potential-opportunities-for-action/ 14:41:33 From Ryan Carrier to Everyone: Question for Matt - can you speak to the intersection between ADA and AI, if there is one or is an interpretation therein 14:44:17 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Learn more about AI Hiring Tools and the Law (US Focus) from our PEAT Toolkit: https://www.peatworks.org/ai-disability-inclusion-toolkit/ai-hiring-tools-and-the-law/ 14:45:03 From Corinne Weible (she/her) to Everyone: CDT report: https://cdt.org/insights/report-algorithm-driven-hiring-tools-innovative-recruitment-or-expedited-disability-discrimination/ 14:45:55 From Natasha Rabsatt to Everyone: What is this team's perspective as it relates to entertainment, artistic products, and commercial products that fall at the intersection of AI and other immersive technologies (such as XR(AR, VR, MR), Blockchain NFTs, iOT, etc). On the commercial side of things, there seems to be less emphasis than in companies and other organizations with people requirements. 14:46:12 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: it seems to me that inclusive design and software development should be taught as part of a curriculum to have developers and designers formed from their career development with already a base when they start work. I have found in development teams this is clearly lacking and the software developers are lost at how to tackle inclusive design.... 14:47:00 From Maria Santacaterina to Everyone: yes @Carolina I agree education needs to be inter-disciplinary 14:47:50 From Jo Stansfield (she/her) to Everyone: A challenge that I wonder if many organisations face to including people with disabilities early in their processes is knowing how to reach them to invite them to be included. Can anyone give any guidance about how organisations can go about this? 14:51:47 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Sorry if this was already discussed - I was away for 15 min during the panel. Question: We talk about inclusive and universal design? How do you condie "design justice" 14:52:37 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: How do you perceive the "design justice" movement in this context? 14:53:07 From Natasha Rabsatt to Everyone: Thank you. Great discussion 14:56:54 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Learn more about Fable’s work: https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/27/fable-aims-to-make-disability-inclusive-design-as-simple-as-a-service/ 14:56:55 From Merve Hickok to Everyone: With a caveat: making sure that the employees in the ERGs are not overstretched and are not expected to answer all the questions too 14:57:14 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: Totally agree, Merve 14:57:34 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Jo, adopting a hiring process that focuses on diversification, not on optimizing the characteristics of employees already included. 14:57:46 From Samuel Proulx to Everyone: Completely agree. They're a place to kickstart, not the only place, and not the place to stop. 14:57:59 From Jo Stansfield (she/her) to Everyone: great responses, thank you all 14:58:40 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Agree 100% Merve 14:58:44 From Nathan Cunningham to Everyone: Great comments 14:59:02 From Sue Turner to Everyone: great session - thanks to everyone! 14:59:33 From Natasha Rabsatt to Everyone: This was a really thoughtful discussion. I really appreciate the insight and mindfulness that went into this presentation today. Thank you to everyone. 15:02:59 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Patricia, design justice and inclusive design are complementary perspectives with the same goals 15:11:21 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: I think one of the things I feel passionate about is the actual potential of AI for inclusivity (if it is designed, developed and implemented properly). Imagine an AI application totally personalised to your needs as an individual and helping you when you most needed it. 15:12:49 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Agreed, Carolina! Check out many examples of equitable AI and potential inclusion outcomes: https://www.peatworks.org/ai-disability-inclusion-toolkit/business-case-for-equitable-ai/examples-of-equitable-ai/ 15:13:32 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: Thanks @Bill! I will definitely have a look :) 15:15:25 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Carolina, yes AI has the potential to individualize the experience. As Corrine mentioned there are two classes of AI: AI to assist , and AI that makes decisions about people. Even when we look at AI that assists people, if you are an outlier it will not work as well. We need to create different AI processes to create AI edge-in processes. 15:15:59 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Many thanks @Jutta for the feedback on my question. 15:16:09 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: Totally agree @Jutta. 15:22:29 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Thank you, Merve, for those excellent framing thoughts! 15:23:15 From Merve Hickok to Everyone: Thank you Bill for all you do 15:24:07 From Darren Bates to Everyone: Jutta: If we need to create different AI processes to create AI edge-in processes —is that the same or similar to saying: Since we know most disabilities are on a spectrum, AI processes and solutions should be too...? 15:28:09 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Darren, I think we need to look at quantified data analytics in general. We are amplifying, accelerating and automating past patterns. For everyone that benefitted from those patterns this s great. For anyone that was harmed by past patterns it is bad. So we are increasing disparity. 15:28:43 From Maria Santacaterina to Everyone: @Jutta couldn’t agree more! It is apparent in every day life 15:29:04 From Darren Bates to Everyone: Yes, yes Jutta! 15:30:33 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: If we value human diversity and inclusion we should invert the values we have mechanized, support exploration, and diversifying. 15:35:21 From Andrei Stoian to Everyone: Thank you @Ryan : Moodle as a delivery platform it just so suited for the role. Very well done. 15:36:00 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone: The idea of building an audit criteria on the PEAT Toolkit is a fascinating one. It is a good practical step forward. Very fascinating panel discussion. 15:38:00 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: That was a herculean effort that treaty 15:39:08 From Darren Bates to Everyone: Comment: Relative to tools: I'm looking forward to the day emerging tech and development tools are born accessible — fully usable on both the front and back end so that people with disabilities can be employed as vigorous creators of technology and happy consumers of technology. 15:39:45 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: there is a huge work to be done in terms of cultural change within organisations to make them realise the advantage of having a diverse and inclusive work force and not just tokenizing. In For Humanity we talk about multi stakeholder engagement from the start of the process of designing an AI solution and this for companies should imply be a diverse and inclusive multi stakeholder engagement in all cases 15:40:14 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Eddan, interoperability issues arise when accessibility is not integrated and not considered from the start. The systemic design of technology ecosystems that rely on separate assistive technologies to address accessibility mean interoperability is a huge issue. 15:41:47 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: @Ryan - thanks for the vision on areas to look at. Two quick disclaimers: First, the PEAT AI & Disability Inclusion Toolkit is one source and there are many other contributions from others that can be leveraged (we link to a lot of them from our Toolkit). AAPD Start Access includes many parties besides PEAT - e.g. Jutta’s group, CDT and other orgs who produce thought leadership that should be considered and applied. Second, ADA is of course a US law, so we must think about broader international accessibility policy/standards to consider as part of the reason these bias audits and processes need to be in place. 15:43:50 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: Instead of capturing personal data we could capture personal needs and then assess if there is a sufficient variety of needs have been taken into account in the solution 15:44:35 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: https://wecount.inclusivedesign.ca/ 15:45:34 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Yes, thick, small data, where thick is the diverse context. 15:45:53 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Also scaling by diversification not formulaic replication 15:46:25 From Merve Hickok to Everyone: @Jutta - indeed 15:48:35 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone: Would it make sense to then create these teams - in jurisdictions - for which a criteria is being made OR a jurisdiction where the audit criteria may be used (even if not approved by a regulator)? 15:50:14 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: @Steve - Love the idea of exploring/documenting incentives. The incentives vary with the suppliers of products, vs. adopters of products as well. Thinking about both is important. 15:51:01 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Check out the Project We Count Badging System: https://wecount.inclusivedesign.ca/badges/ (Jutta’s team) 15:56:50 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: Totally agree @Merve 15:56:56 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Representation by others is not really possible if you are an outlier. 15:57:02 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Great points Merve! 15:59:01 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Inclusion is a practice, not a certificate or a one-off effort. 15:59:18 From Eddan Katz to Everyone: I do actually have to drop off. Thank you for the stimulating discussions and inspiring insights. 16:01:15 From Sue Turner to Everyone: Thanks @Ryan and all the speakers - this has been a truly inspirational session and draws together many threads I had previously been wrestling with separately. Now I see how they can come together. 16:01:45 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: Highlighting significant moments for the disability community or significant figures in the disability community can also help encourage a culture of positive self-disclosure. In the same way that an organization might recognize LGBTQIA figures during Pride, the org could do the same to highlight that disability is a valuable and meaningful identity 16:01:55 From Maria Town (She/Her) AAPD to Everyone: and with that I have to jump! 16:02:27 From Aaron Maxwell to Everyone: Thanks for this amazing conference! Cheers! 16:03:32 From Taurean Dyer to Everyone: Thanks for the answers. lots to think about. always up for creative solutioning :) Really enjoyed the Conference and shared it internally with our ERG! 16:04:19 From Carolina Sanchez Hernandez to Everyone: This has been an amazing and insightful conference that has given a lot of food for thought. Thank you so much all the panellists for all your inputs, let´s keep working together. Thank you 🙏 16:04:31 From jutta treviranus to Everyone: Thanks all, wonderful to be part of the great discussion. Need to drop off. Hope this is just the beginning of this deliberation. 16:06:30 From Bill Curtis-Davidson - PEAT (he/him) to Everyone: Really important points, @Steven! 16:06:35 From Darren Bates to Everyone: This has been a wonderful discussion. I have to sign-off early. Thank you to everyone. 16:11:07 From Dr. Mohamed Naser to Everyone: In my opinion we need to move through: 1- Defining Goals 2- Make sure infrastructure is acceptable and applicable from all stakeholders 3- Organize efforts and teams 4- Built suitable strategies. 5-Operate 16:11:23 From Merve Hickok to Everyone: I think Jutta was differentiating between Universal design vs Inclusive design 16:13:45 From Corinne Weible (she/her) to Everyone: Thank you all for this important and engaging discussion. If you’d like to keep in touch with PEAT activities, please sign up for our newsletter at PeatWorks.org/enews/ . You can also reach us at hello@peatworks.org. 16:13:46 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Good points. A major challenge is to tackle intersectionality. 16:14:09 From Tina Pinedo to Everyone: Thank you! 16:14:13 From Patricia Gestoso (she/her) to Everyone: Great session and fantastic speakers! 16:14:15 From Vibhav Mithal to Everyone: Excellent session and fantastic conference ! Thank you! 16:15:54 From Dr. Mohamed Naser to Everyone: Thank you for Insightful thoughts and put different challenges on the table..... 16:16:24 From Maria Santacaterina to Everyone: Thank you to everyone. Great food for thought! 16:16:26 From Li Liu to Everyone: Thank you everyone! 16:16:43 From Li Liu to Everyone: Excellent job, organizers! 16:16:45 From Ashley Coffey - PEAT to Everyone: Bravo everyone! 16:16:47 From Will Patton to Everyone: Fantastic Panelists! Thank you all so much! 16:16:49 From Kathie LeRoy to Everyone: Fabulous session thank you!!